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Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3997	Posted - 2017.03.10 10:33:36 - [1] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Supercapitals banned from low-sec (no more transit through or operating out of). CONCORD expanded to all low-sec systems (including FW systems). Players engaged in FW are legitimate targets for each other (but cannot attack neutrals without a wardec, and vice-versa). Then I'm fine with relocating L4 agents and Incursions to low-sec. Without CONCORD anything is a deal breaker. thats just expanding highsec, seems pointless Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3999	Posted - 2017.03.10 12:16:04 - [2] - Quote love everyone saying get rid of lowsec because 0.0 is soo much more relevant, the same argument can be said about null, its pointless, pvp is tedious and far too much effort to find a fight, solo in null doesn't happen, and tidi is aids, and so is powerblocks with supercap blobs. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4000	Posted - 2017.03.10 15:19:25 - [3] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Lan Wang wrote: love everyone saying get rid of lowsec because 0.0 is soo much more relevant, the same argument can be said about null, its pointless, pvp is tedious and far too much effort to find a fight, solo in null doesn't happen, and tidi is aids, and so is powerblocks with supercap blobs. Isn't null-sec a separate issue entirely though? I'm not going to necessarily disagree with any of your points about null-sec, but as we're talking about low-sec what would you suggest in the way of ideas to improve it? Sasha Nemtsov wrote: I don't do FW, and although I do travel through Lowsec the question often occurs to me: What is it for? Faction Warfare, gate camping and ganging up on other players constantly comes to mind... well a lot of people imply it should made into nullsec so i agree nullsec isnt relevant here and changing it to be nullsec isnt making anything better. i wouldnt change much about lowsec tbh, i like it and if i wanted nullsec mechanics then id move to null. Remove gateguns and station guns (they cripple solo/frigate pvp) blocking warp stabs from plexes if a dscan immune ship enters a plex then its not dscan immune (thats cancer) add pirate faction warfare Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4005	Posted - 2017.03.12 08:46:20 - [4] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Ptraci wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: Supercapitals banned from low-sec (no more transit through or operating out of). Awww you poor baby. Show me on this ship doll where the nasty titan smartbombed you... I agree with Arthur. Caps have no place in LS, nor do cynos. LS content doesnt require caps, and JFs are abusing the hell out of the system. This involves two problems however: -The current asset recovery system which moves assets to LS. -How to move current gate incapable caps out of LS. The former can be reconciled with grace to move the cap out towards NS. The latter is simple and already resolved. They can simply cyno out to NS (although there might be some that are stranded due to distance). Somekind of "grace" is possible to allow them to get out of LS. Al things considered, I want JFs out of HS and LS. No more cynoing in/out, and no more citadel/gate hopping through systems that cannot use bubbles to stop them. JF all around NS you want. But if you want to carry material through LS/HS, use non-JFs to do so. JF stats are optimised for NS use, not for LS/HS. They are for material transport in NS, not LS/HS. LS/HS is too restricted by safety measures, to deal with them. Its a huge effort without bubbles, under CONCORD, and against the potential EHP of JFs. Restrict JFs to NS, where they belong, and are optimised for. And no sneaking into HS/LS via wormholes either, if you do, you are stranded unless you take another wormhole out. No gate access, no cyno. what do you mean "LS doesnt require caps"? why do you feel caps and cyno's dont belong in lowsec? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4005	Posted - 2017.03.12 09:08:42 - [5] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: A) The content in LS doesnt require caps to run. Its overkill. B) Due to LS safety mechanics, such as no bubbles or smartbombs, cynos are not justified there. hey mofo, are you not aware that citadels exist in LS as well? about cynos, so bombers and blops are not allowed too? They are allowed. Just no cynos. Cynos belong in NS, in systems with unrestricted engagement rules. PS: Wtf calling me a mofo? i dont really get where this sort of idea comes from, i cant really put m finger on how this would benefit anything, no cyno's in lowesec just means you are nerfing a ton of content, as for capitals, they are a big part of pvp in lowsec so again i dont really see any sort of benefit to this change. no cyno's but jump capable ships are allowed, thats pointless...who is going to use a blops when a t1 battleship ha more tank Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4005	Posted - 2017.03.12 09:31:31 - [6] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: i dont really get where this sort of idea comes from, i cant really put m finger on how this would benefit anything Its not about benefiting anyone. Its about rationalizing the game systems/mechanics. no its about improving lowsec and removing 2 key features of the game which many lowsec groups use as main gameplay is not an improvment, there really is no rational excuse to remove cynos and caps from lowsec. because no bubbles...we get by fine killing supers without bubbles Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4005	Posted - 2017.03.13 07:31:01 - [7] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Orakkus wrote: So, does everyone have their own idea about how to make low-sec good, I don't know about everyone, but I do. Get rid of it. All you need is lawful space and lawless space. No need for some in between space that makes no one happy. Mr Epeen I agree, since low sec space is still owned by Empire Factions combine it with high sec and call it Empire Space. Null sec is Alliance Space. Arthur Aihaken wrote: Supercapitals banned from low-sec (no more transit through or operating out of). CONCORD expanded to all low-sec systems (including FW systems). Players engaged in FW are legitimate targets for each other (but cannot attack neutrals without a wardec, and vice-versa). Then I'm fine with relocating L4 agents and Incursions to low-sec. Without CONCORD anything is a deal breaker. I agree and it would definitely get a lot more players going into 0.4 to 0.1 systems. Since there's already plenty of lv 4 Agents currently in low sec space, all CCP needs to do is just remove lv 4 Agents from 1.0 to 0.5 systems. No to having Concord active in FW systems. Those are battlefields, no man's land, enter at your own risk, all civilians are forewarned to stay clear. Just have the game issue a warning (option to disable) after setting destination if travel route includes a FW system. Since 0.4 to 0.1 systems is Empire Space, Concord response time would be lower in each consecutive lower system security level. That would give suicide gankers plenty of killmails. Gate Camping would be outlawed in Empire Space due to obstruction of traffic flow. Those loitering (camping) at Gates would incur Sentry Gun fire after a set amount of time has expired. Also Sentry Guns would no longer 'Fire & Forget' when flagged pilots jump out of range and back in again. Sentry Guns would also be updated with the new AI that will switch target to the biggest threat level on grid. For those who want to do solo PvP action, just turn the Duel mechanic into a 'Death Duel' (pod kill allowed) that allows no outside interference from others and no security status change from Empire. Anyway, it'll never happen but hey, one can dream, right ? DMC Are you too scared to go to losec without concord?, it's about "fixing" lower, not turning it into highec, doesn't do anything for game apart from cater to higher carebears Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4005	Posted - 2017.03.13 14:00:58 - [8] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: My advice would be "don't change a thing". Lowsec is actually a lot better then it used to be. I can't say if people are still fighting a lot over lowsecs resources, but when I played extensively this was always the case. this. i dont really see any need to change much in lowsec apart from add in pirate faction warfare Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4006	Posted - 2017.03.13 14:36:17 - [9] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Inxentas Ultramar wrote: My advice would be "don't change a thing". Lowsec is actually a lot better then it used to be. I can't say if people are still fighting a lot over lowsecs resources, but when I played extensively this was always the case. this. i dont really see any need to change much in lowsec apart from add in pirate faction warfare You mean like enroling for Guristas or something entirely different? yes Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4006	Posted - 2017.03.13 14:40:35 - [10] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: it's about "fixing" lower For the second time. What, exactly, do you propose yourself towards that? i dont really see anything which requires any sort of drastic changes like you and a few others suggested, this is the 2nd time i have said this. 1. remove gate/station guns (hurts solo/micro gang pvp) 2. remove recons dscan immunity when in fw plexes (thats cancer). 3. ban stabs from fw plexes 4. add in pirate faction warfare Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4008	Posted - 2017.03.13 16:09:52 - [11] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: it's about "fixing" lower For the second time. What, exactly, do you propose yourself towards that? i dont really see anything How do these: A) Prevent JF cyno+citadel/station hopping through LS in almost complete safety? LS has its hands tied to intercept the insane HS/NS transit of materials. B) Prevent NS neighbors dropping with impunity across and over the border on far smaller entities in LS? C) FW LS, is distinct from LS. They are as different as NPC/Player NS. Your attempt at conflating the two doesnt fly. It insults the intelligence of this thread. A) as mentioned you will just ruin the economy with such a drastic change. moving caps in safety has always been a thing. B) that hasnt really been an issue since before jump fatigue was introduced, was it even an issue then? C) insult the intelligence of this thread? you asked for my ideas so i gave them to you, is faction warfare in lowsec? yes, does my list only affect fw players? no it affects anyone living in lowsec. i live in lowsec as a pirate which means i dont participate in faction warfare however i do slide into fw plexes for pvp and i do gatecamp so i get gateguns, and i would like pirate faction warfare. i know the difference between the 2 but they affect people regardless if they are fw or not. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4008	Posted - 2017.03.13 17:02:18 - [12] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: A) as mentioned you will just ruin the economy with such a drastic change. moving caps in safety has always been a thing. B) that hasnt really been an issue since before jump fatigue was introduced, was it even an issue then? C) insult the intelligence of this thread? you asked for my ideas so i gave them to you, is faction warfare in lowsec? yes, does my list only affect fw players? no it affects anyone living in lowsec. i live in lowsec as a pirate which means i dont participate in faction warfare however i do slide into fw plexefve the economy.. A) How will more local markets ruin the economy? Jita, and the feeding safety of material transit across sectors, is ruining the economy. Are you not aware of Jita/Forge stats? Also lol at "moving caps in safety has always been a thing". You should be flogged and tarred for that. B) Jump fatigue plays no part in securing a JF in a Citadel/station. C) LS and FW LS are as distinct as NPC/Player NS. A) making logistics harder will obviously affect the market. yes moving capitals in safety has been a thing, if you cant move a capital safely across eve you dont deserve one B) JF's play no part in nullsec entities roflstomping lowsec entities with capitals which is what you implied. C) no they are not, anyone can operate in fw space regardless if you are participating in fw or not, plexes are visible to anyone and are common pvp zones for fw/pirates/solo players, please dont compare fw/ls to be the same as npc/sov nullsec Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4009	Posted - 2017.03.14 09:27:27 - [13] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Are you too scared to go to losec without concord?, it's about "fixing" lower, not turning it into highec, doesn't do anything for game apart from cater to higher carebears Despite the fact that you constantly troll post and badmouth others who don't share your viewpoint, I'll answer your question. As an explorer I travel quite often in both low and null sec space. After getting past Border systems, low sec is void of players. There's only one reason why players stay in high sec and that's CONCORD. Obviously you're too blind to see that. Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: it's about "fixing" lower For the second time. What, exactly, do you propose yourself towards that? i dont really see anything which requires any sort of drastic changes like you and a few others suggested, this is the 2nd time i have said this. 1. remove gate/station guns (hurts solo/micro gang pvp) 2. remove recons dscan immunity when in fw plexes (thats cancer). 3. ban stabs from fw plexes 4. add in pirate faction warfare Talk about Carebear, all you want is low sec to be changed into easy mode so you can gank with impunity. The changes you propose will drive even more players away from low sec. It's not about fixing low sec, it's about changing it to get more players operating in it. DMC easy mode lol, no i gank with impunity anyway so nothing will change the way i play, how will removing pirates hidden in medium plexes with a fleet of recons drive more people away from lowsec? how will removing pointless tankable gateguns affect players coming into lowsec? stabs in plexes are stupid and encourage botting and pirate fw should have been added years ago so yeah your idea to get more players into lowsec is completely gutting out lowsec and adding concord. ill troll and badmouth ideas that totally fck the space i live in, sorry if that doesnt align with your viewpoint but i live here. on another note, lowsec is hardly void of players so i dont know where you get that idea from Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the posing meat Snuffed Out 4009	Posted - 2017.03.15 10:26:37 - [14] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: I recognize that cyno removal from LS, hurts LS internally. But it is also commensurately helps defend LS from drops from NS. i get where you are coming from with this but i think you underestimate the power of lowsec and capitals and how content creation in lowsec relies heavily on cyno's, lowsec doesnt need any help defending against nullsec capitals, i think this would have a worse effect on defending nullsec from lowsec, no cyno's = no lowsec entity can mid caps or even subcaps where nullsec can freely. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4013	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:06:39 - [15] - Quote MoonDragn wrote: I rather all the PVE stuff get moved to high sec and the PVP stuff to low/null sec. There is no point in forcing people that just want to PVE to go to there when they don't want to. so you want to force people to go to highsec to do pve when they dont want to? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4013	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:12:45 - [16] - Quote MoonDragn wrote: Lan Wang wrote: MoonDragn wrote: I rather all the PVE stuff get moved to high sec and the PVP stuff to low/null sec. There is no point in forcing people that just want to PVE to go to there when they don't want to. so you want to force people to go to highsec to do pve when they dont want to? Never said that. There are plenty of PVE content in null sec also IF they want to do it there. I just feel that the option should be there. Nothing wrong with the current system the way it is. Right now in order to do level 5 missions you have to go to NULL, DED complexes etc, just bring a less isk reward version to high sec and if people really want to go to null for the higher isk version then fine. lvl 5's are in lowsec not null edit: yes you did say that because i quoted what you said and it said that Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4013	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:46:48 - [17] - Quote this is about improving lowsec not gutting lowsec and null so you can put it in highsec, you can run lvl 5's in a rattlesnake, you dont need capitals. that being said everyone would just go to highsec and thats not good for anything Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4013	Posted - 2017.03.16 16:53:29 - [18] - Quote MoonDragn wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is about improving lowsec not gutting lowsec and null so you can put it in highsec, you can run lvl 5's in a rattlesnake, you dont need capitals. that being said everyone would just go to highsec and thats not good for anything If you can solo Lvl 5s in a rattlesnake then that ship needs to be nerfed or the level 5s changed. Level 5s were meant to be team PVE content. Everyone can go to high sec for the content, but it won't put out the same isk reward because the risk is lower, simple. that will have a knock-on affect on the lp markets making them worthless in lowsec Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4019	Posted - 2017.03.17 12:11:13 - [19] - Quote MoonDragn wrote: Drake Aihaken wrote: MoonDragn wrote: Soloing level 5s should not be possible unless you are in a large capital ship period. No exceptions. That will balance the content better than it is now. L5s weren't designed to be run in capitals or the acceleration gates would allow them. The fact that some L5 missions are directly warpable to is merely a happy coincidence for capitals. And no one would run L5s with embedded rooms in capitals because you'd essentially be trapping yourself without an option to quckly align out. Well like I said, they were meant to be group content, not solo content. Should not be soloable anyway. It being soloable is a mistake that I think they should fix. That taken care off, it wouldn't have much impact to bring it to high sec cause the rewards will have to be shared with a group. I think it should be a group of coordinated min of 3 people to prevent being soloable in multi-boxing alts. min 3 people....so my rattlesnake and a couple of alts for logi. again you are just proposing ideas to make highsec more appealing while doing nothing for lowsec, which is what this thread is about Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4020	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:23:06 - [20] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: MoonDragn wrote: If there is no content like that for me, then it is time to quit again. So what exactly do you want changed in LS? thats the thing, he has made it clear he doesnt want to go to lowsec, he wants low and null content added to highsec, which is not what this thread is about Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4020	Posted - 2017.03.17 14:40:07 - [21] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: MoonDragn wrote: If there is no content like that for me, then it is time to quit again. So what exactly do you want changed in LS? thats the thing, he has made it clear he doesnt want to go to lowsec, he wants low and null content added to highsec, which is not what this thread is about Thanks for the opinion, but I didnt ask you. I asked him, and my question is ontopic and what this thread is about. Stop running interception for a bit and let people answer. he has already answered maybe read what he wrote instead of asking the same things Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4020	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:01:26 - [22] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: he has already answered maybe read what he wrote instead of asking the same things He answered 2 mins 21sec AFTER you. Check the time stamps. Are you a time traveler? Or maybe confusing your alts? no im not a time traveller, im sure you have some sort of memory problem if you cant remember yesterday... MoonDragn wrote: I rather all the PVE stuff get moved to high sec and the PVP stuff to low/null sec. There is no point in forcing people that just want to PVE to go to there when they don't want to. Is it a real challenge to gank someone who is not outfitted properly for PVP because they are doing PVE content? If you want PVP, fight someone who is outfitted for PVP. If you want the HS PVE income, then do PVE. I never liked the idea of forced PVP and if PVE is too easy, then nerf the rewards. Don't force people to PVP if they don't want to. MoonDragn wrote: Right now in order to do level 5 missions you have to go to NULL, DED complexes etc, just bring a less isk reward version to high sec and if people really want to go to null for the higher isk version then fine. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4020	Posted - 2017.03.17 15:47:14 - [23] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: no im not a time traveller, im sure you have some sort of memory problem if you cant remember yesterday.. Those involved HS and NS changes. Not LS. I specifically asked about LS changes. To which he replied 2mins 21secs AFTER you claiming he had already answered that. This is legit beginning to stink, as do the sudden "first time posters" appearing in this and the wardec thread, often at the incidental lack of posting by typical antagonists. lvl 5's are lowsec content which he wants added to highsec, thats a lowsec change because why bother going to low to run 5's if you can do them in hs. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4020	Posted - 2017.03.17 16:08:10 - [24] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: no im not a time traveller, im sure you have some sort of memory problem if you cant remember yesterday.. Those involved HS and NS changes. Not LS. I specifically asked about LS changes. To which he replied 2mins 21secs AFTER you claiming he had already answered that. This is legit beginning to stink, as do the sudden "first time posters" appearing in this and the wardec thread, often at the incidental lack of posting by typical antagonists. lvl 5's are lowsec content which he wants added to highsec, thats a lowsec change because why bother going to low to run 5's if you can do them in hs. Wait.. Wat..? Not only does this not explain the timestamp issue, now you are claiming his statement that he wants no changes to LS, is false? Are you that goddam dishonest, that you will claim to me and readers, that removing L5s from LS, is not a change to LS? Get your **** straight, bro. This isnt going well for you, nor "him". what are you talking about a timestamp issue for, are you trying to assume thats my alt or something? he has been posting here since yesterday regarding these changes if you actually read then you will see wtf im talking about, you actually quoted him yesterday, i also highlighted the part in my previous quote so start reading instead of twisting things around to suit your own wierd theories, there is nothing mentioned about removing them. HE WANTS A LESS REWARD VERSION OF LVL 5 MISSIONS ADDED TO HIGHSEC SO HE DOESNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH PVP'ERS IN LOWSEC, THAT IS A CHANGE TO LOWSEC BECAUSE LVL 5'S ARE UNIQUE TO LOWSEC Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4022	Posted - 2017.03.17 19:31:06 - [25] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Maximillian Bonaparte wrote: Lowsec is nice because you can travel quickly through it without worrying about bubbles to slow you down. It is clsoer to trade hubs Hmm. Such nice quick travel. Wow, such no bubbles. Trade hub nearby yumyum. Quite telling, when one reads between the lines. Which reads: "LS cant do **** to stop me moving mats between HS and NS trolololol." Also GJ completely ignoring the content/context of what you quoted me on. Why are you bringing bubbles into the conversion like nullified ships don't exist? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4022	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:07:09 - [26] - Quote Lvl 5's in high sec won't improve pve content because it's just the same grind as lvl 4s but a bit harder, which high sec will just murder the lp market because concord then complain they need something else, you put lvl 5''s in high sec and you ruin Lowsec content Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4022	Posted - 2017.03.17 20:37:47 - [27] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: HE WANTS A LESS REWARD VERSION OF LVL 5 MISSIONS ADDED TO HIGHSEC SO HE DOESNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH PVP'ERS IN LOWSEC, THAT IS A CHANGE TO LOWSEC BECAUSE LVL 5'S ARE UNIQUE TO LOWSEC Vs MoonDragn wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: So what exactly do you want changed in LS? I don't want LS to change. Btfo, bro. Plus the ridiculous attempt by you to claim he had answered my question, 2mins 21secs before he answered it. I specifically advised you to stop your desperate interception play for a bit. (Read back) I saw this coming a mile away, and tried to warn you, cos I'm a nice guy. Did you listen? No. GJ. This is the result. Protip: Dont presume to answer on behalf of others. Are you drunk? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4022	Posted - 2017.03.18 01:01:24 - [28] - Quote Orakkus wrote: Alright, things are getting a bit wild on this thread, so let's bring it back to basics again. What does Low-sec, in general, want? More content What is more content? More PVP What is required for more PVP? More People What is required for more People? Less Risk How do you remove risk? Make it harder to kill people After playing this game 10+ years in High-sec, Low-sec, NPC Null, and Sov Null.. those above statements are pretty spot on. Many of you have put that if we put more rewards into low-sec, more people will go. Yeah, some will.. but certainly not in the amounts that really could make low-sec come alive. Really, it seems to me that for many low-sec PVP'ers, a low-sec paradise looks awfully similar to NPC Null. The problem with that is the reason NPC Null works is that it is difficult to get to because places like low-sec are in the way and both the distance and the expected hostility act as a barrier.. which adds to the protection one can get in NPC null (and in Sov Null too). Whatever a solution is.. in order to have more content, you have to have more people, and in order to have more people, those people need to feel comfortable (i.e. relatively safe) in that space. That fact isn't going to be solved by removing the ability to cyno into and out of low-sec. That fact isn't going to be solved by moving incursions into low-sec. The more you try to force people into an area, the more likely they will either change occupations or quit the game. That has been my experience over the years. So you are left with only one option: Make low-sec safer. Period. This can be accounted as fact because, in reality, Sov null-sec is effectively the safest space in the game if you keep your head about you. Now, what we should all be concerned about is HOW that is done without killing non-consensual PVP outright. Only after that is figured out can you really work on whether or not an isk faucet needs to be adjusted or moved, or if new ones need to be developed. No offense but you are with darkness which is a nullsec alliance, darkness is never in lowsec, what gives you the idea that Lowsec isn't alive? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4024	Posted - 2017.03.18 17:56:40 - [29] - Quote Orakkus wrote: Lan Wang wrote: No offense but you are with darkness which is a nullsec alliance, darkness is never in lowsec, what gives you the idea that Lowsec isn't alive? 15 pages of low-sec posts on a single thread that only asked IF there was an issue and if that issue had one idea everyone was behind or if it was still up in the air.. yeah, that is a pretty good indicator that lots of people think it could be more alive. Second, the life that most of low-sec has is pretty one sided and not actually healthy game-wise. You WANT people to come to low-sec, and faction warfare does do that to an extent in those areas.. but really, overall it isn't very busy or active. Low-sec is just a barrier that benefits null-sec at this point, not a place to be. Oh, and just because darkness is a null-sec alliance, doesn't mean I personally have only been in null-sec. as i said no offense intended, i live in black rise and tbh i see no issues with lack of people in lowsec, i moved to low from null because null content was few and far between, personally the only change to low i would like would be adding to fw by creating pirate faction warfare, serpentis, angel etc to the respective areas of lowsec, there is still a lot of traffic which comes to lowsec so i dont think lowsec isnt alive Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4025	Posted - 2017.03.20 07:37:56 - [30] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Vokan Narkar wrote: lowsec is fine only problem is cyno and drops... obviously cyno cannot be removed but dropping 5 carriers on procurer come on... This is not a game problem but a player base problem. People would rather hell-dunk than have a fight. Remove cynos. Player base behavior will change to adapt. no, they will leave lowsec Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4026	Posted - 2017.03.20 09:28:40 - [31] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: You dont "need" cynos (or caps for that matter) in LS to gatecamp, nor for LS combat PvE content, nor to mine. Pirate/T2/3 cruisers, bcs and bs are sufficient, or with an alt/friend. Caps are overkill. If cynos/caps are removed from LS, you also dont need them to defend against NS neighbors dropping. Tbh if you have interest in cyno content, and cap content, you would be better off in Null anyways. (Vast empty sectors of NPC Null if you dont want the hastle/competition of Sov, or Player Null, if you do.) thats a completely selfish and arrogant reply. the answer to this is, we already have it so removing it is a bad idea when it p**es on pretty much every lowsec group in eve by removing a core mechanic, you also dont need capitals to do havens or any other pve content in null so i fail to see any merit in your logic here. "Tbh if you have interest in cyno content, and cap content, you would be better off in Null anyways." explain please because the mass amount of capital users in lowsec disagree with you here. "(Vast empty sectors of NPC Null if you dont want the hastle/competition of Sov, or Player Null, if you do.)" - cant see a capital being much use in an empty system in the backend of null unless its to rat with which again you dont need a capital to rat havens... Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel* -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4026	Posted - 2017.03.20 10:53:34 - [32] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: LS wants sub-cap/non-cyno PvP. If you want cynos and cap content, gtfo of LS, to NS, where they belong. Is it comfy to overkill with caps in LS, and drop into it with NS alts with impunity? 9/10 of this thread want LS to be sub-cap. Why dont you? Afraid to adapt? Afraid of equal playing field in NS? "afraid of equal playing field in NS?" what does that even mean, there is no equal playing field anywhere in eve, you obviously assume i haven't lived in nullsec. "why dont i?" because i like flying caps in space that isnt a 10% tidi slugfest, is that good enough for you?, im sure all the other lowsec groups who specialise in caps and black ops will agree. "9/10 of this thread" lol this thread is not a reliable source to assume that all of lowsec wants capitals removed. your idea will kill lowsec. simple "LS wants sub-cap/non-cyno PvP." say who? you and like 3 other people over the hundreds if not thousands of capital pilots in lowsec, ok Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4026	Posted - 2017.03.20 11:57:40 - [33] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: ****** stuff shut up salvos and get off your high horse. "You are afraid of NS, and of a non-cyno/sub-cap LS. You want to keep LS as a cyno/cap playground though neither cynos nor caps are justified nor needed there, especially as entering from NS, whilst the majority of players want LS to be a sub-cap/non-cyno sector without NS exploitation" - how did you guess? this is the most ****** thing ive ever actually heard. "2) You like flying caps in space that has no bubbles or smartbombs.. You probably also enjoy bypassing LS gates between NS and LS, and within LS.? How comfy." when were smartbombs removed from lowsec? i was in tama just yesterday smartbombing . who cares about bubbles, you can tackle a cap without a bubble did you forget about hics?, and if i wanted to cyno in null id fly nullifed to a citadel, not hard is it? 5) no, thats just your assumption based on this thread which again is not a reliable source. 6) they are justified in lowsec and appears ccp agrees, otherwise they wouldnt be here. 8) i havent actually used a capital in months, my killboard shows that 7) are you assuming they are not?, every lowsec group ive come across has titans, supers and caps and are not scared to use them. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4027	Posted - 2017.03.20 14:32:25 - [34] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Vokan Narkar wrote: lowsec is fine only problem is cyno and drops... obviously cyno cannot be removed but dropping 5 carriers on procurer come on... This is not a game problem but a player base problem. People would rather hell-dunk than have a fight. Remove cynos. Player base behavior will change to adapt. no, they will leave lowsec Only those dropping caps in every opportunity will leave and it will be a good thing. I live(d) in one ls region few months and it looks like this. Corporations living there are afraid to fight each other in ls unless they have an mutual agreement that they won't use a cyno (friendly enemies concept). Because everytime you start bigger fight the other side will light a cyno and drop capitals to overrun you. Even if none of the sides has actually capitals, they might have agreement with one of the ns groups dropping ls noobs - they do it for free as long there are targets worth the killboard. And let say you have one capital pilot and you try to drop on their drop. What happens is they will escalate... So ls as it is now is a farm zone and gank zone. Peoples are ganking with t3+cyno drops or stratios/astero if they are solo most of the time. The few rare fleet fights usually end up with a capital drop, POCO/BOS bashing always end up with a capital drop because even those who have no defending capatibility can just simply call to the Initiative or other dropping groups and tell them hey guys in this sector there is 15 peoples in battleships bashing POCO, do you want to drop them? And they will want to do it. Majority of the players dropping capitals in ls doesn't even live in ls. They live in neighboaring ns and sending a solo t3 gankers around all the ls because they are bored in ns or idk what. It sounds to me that you are one of those roaming around in tengu dropping sin on procurers you gank. Am I wrong? Anyway - even I though removal of cyno is not doable in lowsec from a mechanical/gameplay point of view. I take back, if the cyno in ls would be changed so only JF can jump into it or perhaps it would be restricted to 0.1 it could work. And it would be easy to see if it kills LS or not - simply temporarily try it out in single LS region for a month or two and see how it goes. I bet the life in there increases. "It sounds to me that you are one of those roaming around in tengu dropping sin on procurers you gank. Am I wrong?" - yes you are wrong. "Majority of the players dropping capitals in ls doesn't even live in ls. They live in neighboaring ns and sending a solo t3 gankers around all the ls because they are bored in ns or idk what." - wut? so shadow cartel, EE, waffles, snuff, project mayhem, LSH, DHSJ etc etc are nullsec now? Corporations living there are afraid to fight each other in ls unless they have an mutual agreement that they won't use a cyno - top tip, put up a cyno inhib... call to the Initiative or other dropping groups - or any lowsec group, take your pick everyone will show up for content, its not exclusive Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4027	Posted - 2017.03.20 14:41:26 - [35] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Fk off to NS where you belong. youre getting a bit disrespectful towards people, stay in highsec buttercup clearly lowsec is too intense for you Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4027	Posted - 2017.03.20 15:22:52 - [36] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: stuff Ok ill address this for you. You agreed LS will do fine without cynos/caps, and then gave an example of how an LS mega-coalition forced you to displace with CAPS (which almost certainly had NS based reinforcement and interests). what NS interests do you "think" we have? i forget...(clearly you underestimate capital forces in lowsec) Do you not comprehend, that as long as cynos/caps are allowed in LS, it means LS is permeable by NS? Its not LS entities you are dealing with, its with NS fronts. Again explain what you think you know because this just sounds stupid... LS doesnt need cynos/caps as the peak of the power pyramid. NS will beat you in that everytime. But we have them and removing them is bad as the thousands of cap pilots will either unsub or move to nullsec and join another big (insert chosen supercap blob blob here). There is no sense in cynos/caps in LS. LS doesnt need them for PvE content. LS doesnt need them for gatecamping. LS doesnt need them for PvP. but nothing in nullsec requires a cap so again whats your point? Consider this: Gatecamps with scouts on every gate, how do you engage that gatecamp with out them running?....neutral cyno If cynos/caps are removed from LS, not only will NS not be able to field/drop its cap fleets there either directly or via fronts, but it means LS will become a sub-cap region with mechanics suitable for a non-NS empire region. can you source some recent battlereports to enforce this theory that nullsec is a problem to lowsec Cynos and caps belong in NS, in unrestricted space. Cynos are for bypassing gatecamps (bad for LS) Cynos are for dropping overwhelming force (really bad for LS as a NS neighbor) Cynos are for bypassing bubbles (REALLY bad for LS, as they have no bubbles to begin with). - interceptors are also for bypassing gatecamps and bubbles which are available anywhere NS has used these mechanics to make LS its little b**h. yeah if thats what you think Cynos/caps should operate in NS, where there are no restrictions on engagement, and those rules are equal. you will need to be a bit more specific here to whatever you are implying You dont need LS, and LS doesnt need you. Fk off to NS where you belong. same can be said for you, your killboard shows you do nothing in this game, so either post on a main or stfu and go back to highsec as lowsec seems too intense for you. Post-change, you can simply move to NS. Its not a problem. LS will do fine without you. maybe, but could ccp deal happily with a mass unsub of thousands of capital alts? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4028	Posted - 2017.03.20 15:48:13 - [37] - Quote MoonDragn wrote: So what you guys are basically saying is that you feel that you should be able to destroy ships that are worth billions of isk with a little bubble and smart bombs that cost a tiny percentage of that amount? wut? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4031	Posted - 2017.03.20 18:17:55 - [38] - Quote We will continue to play with our caps in lowsec like the game allows us to, you think they dont belong there but ccp disagrees otherwise they wouldnt be there, ok? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4031	Posted - 2017.03.20 18:27:29 - [39] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: We will continue to play with our caps in lowsec like the game allows us to, you think they dont belong there but ccp disagrees otherwise they wouldnt be there, ok? Sure, go ahead and play. That doesnt stop me from pointing out the issues with cynos/caps existing in LS. bubbles and smartbombs (so you call them) are not a reason to remove something, they are easy avoidable, if i want to light a cyno in nullsec a fcking bubble isnt gonna stop me, so you basing that bubbles are some sort of capital ship deterant which gives some crazy advantage to engagement terms is stupid Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4031	Posted - 2017.03.20 18:40:34 - [40] - Quote 1. stop calling them smartbombs, makes you sound uneducated as they are very much allowed in lowsec 2. you got aggressive about me not "addressing" your comment, which i did, now have the curtosy to address the questions i asked you. lowsec does not have restrictions on using capitals Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4032	Posted - 2017.03.20 18:45:49 - [41] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: 1. stop calling them smartbombs, makes you sound uneducated as they are very much allowed in lowsec 2. you got aggressive about me not "addressing" your comment, which i did, now have the curtosy to address the questions i asked you Wat? Getting aggressive at you? Dude, take a break from the keyboard. Salvos Rhoska wrote: How much are you being paid to shill? They should fire you, Mr. Meat-Puppet. You are terrible and lazy at your job. A one-liner? Seriously? Pretending offense? Seriously? Thats it? GJ failing to address my post. Let me re-post if for you.. Salvos Rhoska wrote: You dont need LS, and LS doesnt need you. Fk off to NS where you belong. looks pretty aggressive so maybe take your own advice Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4034	Posted - 2017.03.20 18:59:48 - [42] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: You dont need LS, and LS doesnt need you. Fk off to NS where you belong. looks pretty aggressive so maybe take your own advice HTFU, meat-puppet shill. EVE is aggressive. Deal with it. HTFU Los-Sec has Cynos. Deal with it. he is just salty because someone blopsed his pve boat in lowsec Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4034	Posted - 2017.03.20 19:06:13 - [43] - Quote cyno's are litterally the only way to get ships into a system which has an organised gatecamp with scouts in every surrounding system looking for hostile fleets Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4034	Posted - 2017.03.20 19:14:54 - [44] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cyno's are litterally the only way to get ships into a system which has an organised gatecamp with scouts in every surrounding system looking for hostile fleets Wrong. Cynos bypass the gatecamp(s) entirely and drop far beyond them in a distant system. Also, you dont need cynos to bypass a gatecamp. Instead use a non-gatecamped point of entry, fit correctly, scout or escort force your way through. But you are beginning to catch on to why cynos/caps should not exist in LS. Thats good. how do people engage an organised gatecamp which can see a fleet of subcaps from 2 jumps out? but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4034	Posted - 2017.03.20 19:25:49 - [45] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. it does because all i simply need to do is put scouts in each surrounding system around where i am camping, i dont need to worry about someone dropping blops, or capitals, i can see any hostile fleet coming into my system and i can just warp off the gate. currently all someone needs to do is have a nuetral cyno jump in system and gg gatecamp gets rekt'd by a ton of blops and nobody has any time to respond because its over in the blink of an eye thats a buff to gatecamps Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4040	Posted - 2017.03.20 21:10:05 - [46] - Quote we are in lowsec because we dont like nullsec, how hard is that for you to understand? the current mechanics in lowsec allow for a range of different gameplay options and logistics is easier for people who dont want to rely on using huge logistics networks. nullsec do not walk over lowsec by projecting caps in every system, nullsec do not own or dominate lowsec either, thats all in your head Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4040	Posted - 2017.03.20 21:20:57 - [47] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. Salvos, you are not understanding. Lan Wang Means that cynos are the counter to gatecamps right now. Because if you slow boat to them, they will see you on d-scan and leave. If you light a cyno on the gatecamp, your backup fleet will jup bridge in and appear immidiately and the whole gatecap won't get away. It has NOHTING to do with jumping over the gatecamp If cynos/caps are removed from LS, this becomes a non-issue. Either go through another gate, fit for travel, or brute force yourself through. fml, fine buff gatecamps, im good with that, i dont need to worry about people dropping me in tama anymore, gg well done Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4041	Posted - 2017.03.20 21:28:25 - [48] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: fml, fine buff gatecamps, im good with that, i dont need to worry about people dropping me in tama anymore, gg well done 1) It doesnt buff gatecamps. Nothing changes for gatecamps. 2) Good, now you begin to understand. You no longer need to fear drops. Just gate transiting subcaps. IT BUFFS GATECAMPS BECAUSE REMOVING CYNOS MEAN HOSTILES CAN NO LONGER LIGHT A CYNO AT 0 ON A GATECAMP TO KILL THE CAMPERS Salvos if you dont understand how cyno's work stfu Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4042	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:01:23 - [49] - Quote this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4042	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:24:39 - [50] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is what happens when carebears get stupid ideas about pvp mechanics No, this is what happens when entitled pricks get so full of their own crap, they cant tell what is what anymore. Wtf are you even doing in LS, relying on cynos and caps? Frankly its pathetic to try and justify cynos/caps in 817 LS systems, when there are 3400+ NS systems to use them in without restrictions. Wtf are you even doing in LS? Gtfo to NS. calm down miner im in lowsec enjoyin my game camping gates and dropping on retards like you Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4043	Posted - 2017.03.20 22:51:09 - [51] - Quote salvos, cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, telling us to fck off to nullsec every 10minutes isnt going work just makes you sound like a spoiled little child, you sound like a total entitled prick yourself. if you have such an issue with us being in lowsec, guess what, bring a fleet down and "chase us away" Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4046	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:09:30 - [52] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cynos and caps are allowed in lowsec, Protip: Check the topic of the thread. i have and people from lowsec and nullsec have given reasons why cynos and caps are in lowsec, dont bother asking for these reasons again because you are not goldfish and dont need to be told the same thing over and over again Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4046	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:16:59 - [53] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: But you can also do it by killing the gatecamp with a cyno, which is more pirate like. How about we agree upon some artistic freedom to do what we want? Cyno drop of caps is pirate like? In LS? First it was "sending a signal". Now its "artistic freedom". What is this bullshit? If you want cyno/cap action, go to the 3400+ NS systems. LS can work just fine with subcaps and without cyno. If you w,ant to clear the gate, bring a fleet and clear it. good luck burning 33 jumps in subcaps from tama to rancer to chase pirates to ping off the gate, such engaging gameplay Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4046	Posted - 2017.03.20 23:43:46 - [54] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. it does because all i simply need to do is put scouts in each surrounding system around where i am camping, i dont need to worry about someone dropping blops, or capitals, i can see any hostile fleet coming into my system and i can just warp off the gate. currently all someone needs to do is have a nuetral cyno jump in system and gg gatecamp gets rekt'd by a ton of blops and nobody has any time to respond because its over in the blink of an eye thats a buff to gatecamps I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right? Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it. It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno. Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap. are you actually being serious? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4053	Posted - 2017.03.22 07:43:16 - [55] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Zirashi wrote: This is a troll right? I mean, c'mon, he's been unironically telling people to HTFU while simultaneously whining about the "unjust" cynos in low sec and "unfair" mechanics on a forum alt for over 5 pages now. Well his forum alt got dropped some time ago and it cost him a cynabal and the crystal pod so maybe he is just salty... Pfft.. There are 3400+ NS systems for cynos/caps. (Both NPC and Player) The narrow 800 system LS buffer between HS and NS would be better served as a non-cyno sub-cap sector. what does the amount of systems have to do with it? if anything traveling around 800 hostile systems is reason enough to allow capitals and cynos Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:26:55 - [56] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: if anything traveling around 800 hostile systems is reason enough to allow capitals and cynos Explain. Do you feel you would be unable to survive in LS without cynos/caps? this is the thing, you have 800 systems that you keep harping on about, i dont find spending 3 hours every fleet traveling by gates in armour battleships for a 30minute fight engaging gameplay, and i doubt a majority of lowsec residents would either. eliminate small entities from lowsec who survive in remote lowsec systems away from large pirate corps by crippling freighter logistics and forcing loaded freighters to take gates through pirate infested chokepoints...because you know the large pirate corps will hellcamp every chokepoint to gank freighters with immunity, because i certainly will. i would survive but id be burned out after 3 days because traveling by gates in anything bigger than a cruiser is worse than mining, i could also unsub like all my alts i pay irl money for and gate camp tama 24/7 with immunity. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:09:32 - [57] - Quote so just remove battleships from lowsec too then and make people fly interceptors, thats your solution? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:11:49 - [58] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: LS players want a non-cyno, sub-cap zone to PvP in and intercept NS/HS material transport in. Got stats or anything to support that opinion of yours? ofcourse he doesnt, he has been asked for this sort of thing dozens of time now and cant produce anything but the same half-baked opinions Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:40:09 - [59] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: so just remove battleships from lowsec too then and make people fly interceptors, thats your solution? Wat? Mr. Meat-puppet. Please. I understand you are afraid, but this is unreasonable shilling. so is "use something faster" as an answer to traveling in 800 lowsec systems, get something else man instead of the crappy half-baked answers you keep giving, provide some evidence that freighters dont die and the other stuff people have asked for. this is getting tedious you really are proving to be a total noodle brain. you clearly have no idea how low, null and high sec works, give it a rest Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:47:29 - [60] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: so is "use something faster" as an answer to traveling in 800 lowsec systemst Wtf are you doing traveling through 800 LS systems? Is this some roleplay thing? LS is like 10ish gates deep at its deepest point. are you fcking *******? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel* -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 16:59:03 - [61] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: so is "use something faster" as an answer to traveling in 800 lowsec systemst Wtf are you doing traveling through 800 LS systems? Is this some roleplay thing? LS is like 10ish gates deep at its deepest point. are you fcking *******? Are you fking kidding me that you are cynoing through 800 LS systems on some kind of roleplaying crusade per play session? Wtf is even your point? stfu you noodle, "traveling in 800 lowsec systems" i didnt say through, do you think every where in lowsec takes 10 gate jumps? ffs man Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel* -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4055	Posted - 2017.03.22 18:08:24 - [62] - Quote if ccp wanted to make transit of materials harder they would not have introduced citadel mechanics Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4056	Posted - 2017.03.22 18:27:58 - [63] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Maximillian Bonaparte wrote: Snip There are 3400 NS systems to use JFs inorder to bypass bubbles/gatecamps. Use them there, where they belong. JFs with cynos make a mockery of LS. what? so only jump freighters can be used in null also now? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4056	Posted - 2017.03.22 18:36:27 - [64] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Of the many things that killed lowsec, JFs was one of them. Amen. answer my question, are proposin to ban jump freighters from lowsec? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4056	Posted - 2017.03.22 18:47:50 - [65] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Orakkus wrote: In addition, in order to make Low-sec more viable it NEEDS cynos and caps. It needs to develop an industrial base, and you can't have that if you can't import and export materials and goods. And you can't have an industrial base without people, and you can't have people without some measure of safety and convenience. And once you have more people, then and only then do you get more content. Explain how LS industry cant be viable without cynos or caps. Once cynos/caps are removed, your import/export is improved, as you dont need to fear cyno/cap drops that grossly exceed your effort or capacity to deal with them. no its not because you need to take gates through pirate infested space! Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4058	Posted - 2017.03.22 19:20:42 - [66] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: [Such a pointless stupid discussion. The usual stuff from you. +1 im done with this noodle brain he doesnt have a clue Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4058	Posted - 2017.03.22 21:23:02 - [67] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Orakkus wrote: In addition, in order to make Low-sec more viable it NEEDS cynos and caps. It needs to develop an industrial base, and you can't have that if you can't import and export materials and goods. And you can't have an industrial base without people, and you can't have people without some measure of safety and convenience. And once you have more people, then and only then do you get more content. Explain how LS industry cant be viable without cynos or caps. Once cynos/caps are removed, your import/export is improved, as you dont need to fear cyno/cap drops that grossly exceed your effort or capacity to deal with them. no its not because you need to take gates through pirate infested space! No you don't have to. You can wait for any WH into HS or WH chain into HS. Safe WH (chain) will appear in specific system at least once per week if you have connexes to get this information or players who can search for it. thats such a reliable solution! if its that easy why are cyno's and freighters a problem in lowsec again? i forget Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4058	Posted - 2017.03.22 21:49:56 - [68] - Quote Orakkus wrote: Since this thread hasn't been locked, or commented on by the CSM or Devs, it is clear they want us to keep throwing punches. However, all this is now moot. With the addition of the refineries, this will definitely change things up... particularly in low-sec. rip lowsec Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4058	Posted - 2017.03.22 22:05:11 - [69] - Quote Vokan Narkar wrote: stupid stuff what salvos is proposing is making it easier to kill ships...im a gatecamper and know his ideas are buffing gatecamping to the high hills and giving me a ton more industrial kills which will break the game. no! being immune to be dropped by blops and capitals while i gatecamp a major traffic route is not a problem right now, removing cynos makes my gatecamping immune to suprise drops means i set up a couple of alts an my shiney ships will NEVER be killed while i farm anything that comes into my system. if you run a large logistics operation for a half decent lowsec or null alliance waiting a week for a wormhole from LS-HS or NS-HS to restock a market with ships after a loss from a fight is not a reliable solution! how long you have been playing and what you do is relevant because you dont know what youre talking about and the other comment proves you also feel its stupid to move any sort of industrial via gates in lowsec, let alone 10+bil worth of jump freighter and cargo which is pretty much like moving an unfitted carrier by gate through blackrise. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4058	Posted - 2017.03.22 22:17:16 - [70] - Quote Orakkus wrote: Lan Wang wrote: rip lowsec Maybe, with passive moon mining gone, many of the mighty PVP alliances will have to readjust, and much of that adjustment will require time that normally went to personal or PVP activities to go to corp/alliance activities. This MAY be useful to low-sec in that null-sec alliances won't have the manpower to staff all the moons they had previously. This could open the way up for low-sec alliances and corps to start organizing and "claiming" sections of space for those resources. Though, I do have a concern about how that will interact with the structure of low-sec. i dont even know what to think of this change tbh, i dont do anything "carebear" so it makes me wonder what will happen, i kinda moved here to just pvp, i can see a lot of changes to doctrines coming in the future, lowsec always seemed to have the shiney ships, i can see that phasing out, however as i say i know nothing of moon mining etc, id large alliances of lowsec dominating lowsec, or even the large nullblocs dominating lowsec income with super fleet back up. i dunno tbh but i agree this whole thread now becomes moot Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.23 14:37:38 - [71] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: There will be an endless supply of sub-cap hauler targets in LS. You are not grasping how much value/material is currently lol-cynoing through LS, daily. Astronomical figures. Enormous wealth flying right over your head. Gatecamps mean nothing to cynos, especially without bubbles. bubbles arent an issue, we have instalocking ships and hics, if you think freighter are lol-cyno'ing into ls with immunity you are wrong. freighters die in lowsec easy enough. however citadels provide a near 100% safe moving, ccp wouldnt have implemented them if they wanted to make it harder Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.24 07:30:24 - [72] - Quote Nobody likes structure grinds so I highly doubt anyone would like cta escort ops Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.27 08:16:31 - [73] - Quote Maximillian Bonaparte wrote: I think it is important to point out that the two people on this thread who are arguing for drastic changes to lowsec do not thrive there. Lowsec is about PvP isnt it? Zkill is pretty much a good way to get intel on what people are about. Herzog Wolfhammer and Salvos Rhoska If you compare them to someone like... Lan Wang or even me...you can see whats up. Maybe they are not to blame because no one has ever 'taught' them what lowsec pvp is about...but maybe they are to blame for never getting into a ship with the intention of fighting, loosing it, and LEARNING what lowsec PvP is about...and then from there joining a corp that ALSO knows what lowsec PvP is about - how it is funded, and the supply and logistics involved to maintian the content. Like i said before, the people that thrive in lowsec do have their complaints - but NONE of them ever complain about cynos and especially jump freighters. Ill add to this that if people really wanted to kill jf's then they would also do what this guy does. Tiky Mikk But citadels sorta removed this gameplay Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.27 08:28:33 - [74] - Quote Sivar Ahishatsu wrote: Orakkus wrote: So, does everyone have their own idea about how to make low-sec good, or have certain ideas/concepts started to get favor with the mass of low-sec players? Yup, Remove low Sec. Expand High Sec to 0.2, and leave only 0.1 with unresponsive Concord just for the ***** and giggles. Current situation is that Low Sec is innaccessible by many new players. As it is controlled by older Piraty players who kill kill anyone jumping in "their turf", and then go sell some insignias to concord to by pass the security hits they take. So it serves nothing really to have Low sec right now, it only filters new players out of the game as High sec gets boring after the initial ooohs and aaaahs of the game. I would say 2-3 months in players would start feeling boredom and frustration. It takes at least 1-2 years of skilling to match the players who control low sec so forget about fighting them off as a new player, many have 6 years + skills and game experience. Plus the game already has mechanics where players carve their own space in nulsec. Why double up on that? Low sec was not meant to be claimed by players it is empire space, and if yes, then I question that design decision of redundant gameplay experience. Low sec was meant to offer players a self policing, self balancing arena for PvP. It failed, the Pirates won. Now it is juts a death trap for anyone new to EVE. I think seriously expanding High Sec and reducing (or removing) Low sec will push the pirates in to the few NPC controll 0.0 zones and in to Alliance Nulsec. At the same time, it will provide for a sturdier base upon which new players and corps can evolve out of high sec and contest Nullsec (or add t the Pirate pop), in either case the action will move back to Nulsec, it will mean something having patrols and escorts and enforcing one's territory and pushing off new would be attackers from the new high sec. The truth is that, we all evvolve, we change with time and the only direction is forward, the game needs to follow the player base and provide new opportunities and challenges. The "how it was before" is not a destination for the majority of people, otehrwise they would still be here, and it is a step back for thsoe that are still here. James 315 was wrong, he was living and longing for the past (I empathise and understand him). But life moves forward and people look otwards the future, the game must be able to do the same. 1. So it serves nothing really to have Low sec right now, it only filters new players out of the game as High sec gets boring after the initial ooohs and aaaahs of the game. I would say 2-3 months in players would start feeling boredom and frustration. You say this but please explain how making highsec bigger would make players less bored, that doesnt make sense, they will just get the same bored but in a bigger area. 2. I think seriously expanding High Sec and reducing (or removing) Low sec will push the pirates in to the few NPC controll 0.0 zones and in to Alliance Nulsec. it might push some of them but then some of them will just quite because the majority of people in lowsec do not like nullsec and you cant force that on people, its like me saying make highsec all 0.5 and make concord tankable. im sure you bears wouldn't like that happening. 3. As it is controlled by older Piraty players who kill kill anyone jumping in "their turf", and then go sell some insignias to concord to by pass the security hits they take. Wrong again, pirates dont care because we all have alts to do stuff in highsec, we take pride in our -10.0 status. 4. It takes at least 1-2 years of skilling to match the players who control low sec so forget about fighting them off as a new player, many have 6 years + skills and game experience. really? new players come in and out of lowsec everyday, not everyone is scared, if you are too scrared to jump into lowsec then you probably wont last long in eve regardless Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.27 19:10:11 - [75] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Scialt wrote: The only people actually helped by the idea... are gate campers. Then give me a better solution to preventing HS<->NS lol-cyno transit through LS What is the point to LS when material can lol-cyno through it, and LS can be crushed by NS at anytime if they bother? You say you like small gang in LS. Small gang against who? For what? Whom are your targets? Please dont tell me gatecamping to catch noobs on their first trip... Meanwhile billions upon billions in isk of HS-NS JFs are lol-cynoing right over your head. ...remove citadel tethering infact, nobody really cares about jump freighters, we want to fight ships with guns we couldnt care if jump freighters "lol-cyno" Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.27 19:39:05 - [76] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Farming little noobs on their first trip to LS? Small PI freighters? yeah just a load of noobs tbh... Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4060	Posted - 2017.03.27 22:02:28 - [77] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Its far more, and worse than that. These forums are a metagame, and we are dealing with paid shills. Its their job and purpose here to aggress opposition to their interests. Thats well and fine, cos this is EVE, but it does mean there is no reasoning with them except steamrolling over them. more like telling retards how ******** ideas they propose are Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4067	Posted - 2017.03.28 15:34:10 - [78] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it. "3 days - 100 Billion of Freighters" - Tiky Mikk Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4067	Posted - 2017.03.28 15:55:46 - [79] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it. "3 days - 100 Billion of Freighters" - Tiky Mikk And what about the 99.9% rest of JF cyno transit through LS? See what I mean? nobody cares about them otherwise we would all be in supers doing the same Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4067	Posted - 2017.03.28 18:16:47 - [80] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: nobody cares about them otherwise we would all be in supers doing the same Wat? Seriously, wtf is this nonsense supposed to mean? This is pathetic. You arent even trying. Look man, if people of lowsec really cared about killing jump freighters we would be sitting on the undock of every midpoint point station alpha'ing freighters with fighter bombers, the thing is nobody really cares as we have better things to do. Sorry you can't grasp that but you dont live or contribute to Lowsec so it's understandable. They don't lol-cyno, they cyno in because we let them Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4075	Posted - 2017.03.29 18:31:39 - [81] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: sero Hita wrote: Snip You completely ignored my post to you, and instead answered a post addressed to someone else. That **** doesnt fly. Do your due diligence. Dont expect an answer to your questions till you have answered mine. PS: Lol claiming logistics/hauling/trading isnt fun, when thousands do it daily, enjoy it and profit from it. That's the pot calling kettle black mate as I'm still waiting on you answering questions I asked you like 8 pages back which you completely ignored Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4076	Posted - 2017.03.29 19:00:16 - [82] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Snip A wild alt appears. Is that all you got man, lm alt now whose alt do you think I am? Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 10:19:27 - [83] - Quote this is now totally confirmed that this guy is just trolling. Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 10:25:42 - [84] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: this is now totally confirmed that this guy is just trolling. Weak, very weak. And constitutes trolling in and of itself. you dont have a clue what you are talking about, its getting boring listening to the same arguments from you where you provide no evidence when asked Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 11:06:18 - [85] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: you dont have a clue what you are talking about, its getting boring listening to the same arguments from you where you provide no evidence when asked Prove it. Your boredom is not my problem. No one is forcing you to read or respond. Believe me, your crap content here bores the hell out of me as well. The irony of you demanding evidence when I specifically addressed that in my previous post. Then you resort to "you dont have a clue" and "you are trolling", both which you cant substantiate and are just an excuse to avoid arguing the points made. This isnt reddit, and Im not a push-over. Try harder or gtfo the kitchen. ofcourse not but i come here to see if anyone has anything constructive to say about the space me and any others "live" in, prove what? people have already shown you that freighters die quite often in lowsec, you chose to ignore that and again try and enforce your agenda with no evidence when asked, all you say is "lol-cyno" and nullsec this and that, you havent supplied any links to enforce what you say, so its just an opinion from someone who doesn't have a clue, nothing more. luckily this isnt reddit as you would be trolled worse Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 11:18:13 - [86] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: PS: You claimed I am trolling, why then are you posting to me? if you havent noticed already im also trolling you Salvos Rhoska wrote: Its not even a fraction of total NS-HS transit past LS in JFs. prove it Salvos Rhoska wrote: As I stated before, there is no killboard evidence of NS neighbor capacity to overwhelm LS with caps, because they have no incentive to do so. you said a while ago that this change would "protect lowsec from nullsec neighbours dropping on lowsec with impunity", so thats wrong now? Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 11:35:08 - [87] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: PS: You claimed I am trolling, why then are you posting to me? if you havent noticed already im also trolling you Im not trolling though. Im posting ontopic and at length, arguing issues, answering questions, reciprocally. But you just admitted you are infact trolling. After your edited additions: 1) Prove that most of JF transport through LS is destroyed. 2) Post-change, NS will not be able to drop cyno/caps in LS. LS PvP will be subcap, non-cyno, only. that cant be proved but you have been shown by myself and scripio that they do die, you havent provided anything to enforce your opinion so do that instead. you havent answered the question, you have just repeated the affects of your change Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 12:00:34 - [88] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lan Wang wrote: that cant be proved but you have been shown by myself and scripio that they do die, you havent provided anything to enforce your opinion so do that instead. you havent answered the question, you have just repeated the affects of your change 1) Why cant you prove that the majority of JFs cyno dont pass LS without destruction? Why then do you expect me to be able to prove its opposite? 2) Read. The occasional idiot/drunk fails JF transit through LS. Nobody has claimed that ALL 100% of JFs make it through LS. Where did you get that idea into your head? 3) NS utterly dwarfs LS geographically, in wealth, resources, population, organisation and cap pilots. Do you dispute this? 4) Since you clearly announced yourself as a deliberate troll, is this just more of the same? (inb4 someone "else" answers these instead of Lan.) you heard it here first guys NS dwarfs LS in organisation...yes i dispute that. your plucking straws salvos, you have been asked to prove something which you cant then turn it on to someone else because you know its bulls*** "Its not even a fraction of total NS-HS transit past LS in JFs." you made the claim now prove it, because we have shown you they die yet your counter to is just words with no evidence. you dont know what fraction gets past so stop exaggerating your claims. You dont have to be drunk to lose a freighter to a super who uncloaks and alphas you as you are aligning before having a chance to do anything. salvos thinks everyone who doesnt agree with his stupid idea is an alt....ok mate Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 12:23:44 - [89] - Quote no salvos you are implying that freighters lol-cyno in lowsec with impunity which is why you have this idea in the first place, yet you have be shown that they do not, start reading and understanding. Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 4080	Posted - 2017.03.30 14:16:34 - [90] - Quote Scialt wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Scialt wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: (inb4 someone "else" answers these instead of Lan.) Snip. Saw that coming a mile away. So... by "snip" what you're really saying is: "I can't respond to the logic showing my idea isn't a good one... so I'll just cut their words and re-post the same thing and hope nobody notices."? For someone who says they want discussion, you seem to not want to discuss the fairly obvious drawbacks that I and others have been repeatedly pointing out about your idea... mainly that it kills all low-sec content aside from gate camps, makes everyone else's game play more annoying aside from those who like running gate camps and will likely hurt the large null-sec alliances the least while hurting the smaller independent groups in low and null-sec the most. You just say "SNIP. No, my idea is still awesome." i find it quite funny, he cant answer any questions so he responds with accusations of everyone being an alt...even though i answered his questions in the post he quoted asking me to answer, no point in repeating things if he lacks the brain power to read Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

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